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ASEAN Chartered Professional Engineer Coordinating Committee (ACPECC) Round Table Discussion/Collquium

REPORT OF THE MEETING OF THE BUSINESS SERVICES SECTORAL WORKING GROUP

87th MEETING OF THE COORDINATING COMMITTEE ON SERVICES (CCS)

 

17 May 2017, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

  INTRODUCTION

The Business Services Sectoral Working Group held its Meeting on 17 May 2017 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia back-to-back with the 87th Meeting of the ASEAN Coordinating Committee on Services (CCS).

 The Meeting was chaired by Dr. Wicha Jiwalai from Thailand and was attended by representatives from all ASEAN Member States (AMS). The staff member of the ASEAN Secretariat also attended the meeting. The list of participants appears as ANNEX 1. 

AGENDA ITEM 1.       ADOPTION OF AGENDA

The Meeting adopted the agenda which appears as ANNEX 2.

AGENDA ITEM 2.       MUTUAL RECOGNITION ARRANGEMENTS

2.1       MRA on Engineering Services

 The Meeting discussed the outcomes of the 34th Meeting of ASEAN Chartered Professional Engineers Coordinating Committee (ACPECC).  The report of this meeting appears as ANNEX 3. 

 The Meeting noted that:

a)     All AMS attended the meeting.

b)     Lao PDR submitted its revised assessment statements.

c)     ACPECC approved 198 out of 200 applications submitted. The total number of ACPEs on the ACPER is 2,552 with 15 from Brunei Darussalam, 53 from Cambodia, 962 from Indonesia, 11 from Lao PDR, 304 from Malaysia, 299 from Myanmar, 260 from Philippines, 257 from Singapore, 187 from Thailand and 204 from Viet Nam.

d)     With the submission of draft RFPE form from Lao PDR, all AMS have submitted the RFPE guidelines and form. ACPECC also noted 1 additional RFPE from Singapore who was registered in Myanmar, therefore the total number of RFPE is 8.

e)     ACPECC noted the challenges to standardise of registration fee for RFPE and noted Malaysia’s suggestion to have a fee of 100 USD for application and 100 USD for renewal.

f)       ACPECC noted that there is no consensus reached on the expansion of the coverage of the MRA to include technologists and technicians.

g)     ACPECC Members raised concerns on the dominance of non-ASEAN engineers practicing in ASEAN countries without observing the requirements for professional registration.

The Meeting deliberated on the issue pertaining to the Engineering Technologist and Technician with great interest. The Meeting noted that the current MRA on Engineering does not cover the said group. Some Member States viewed that, as a value chain in the Engineering Fraternity, the Engineering Technologist and Technician (Site Supervisor) are part and parcel of the team involved in engineering works and services. Some Member States recognised that the said group works and services are not covered in the current MRA on Engineering Services and ACPECC only deals with the Professional Engineers. The Meeting noted that some AMS representatives (PRA) in the ACPECC do not have the mandate to discuss and to deliberate the role and function of the engineering technologist and technician, while in other AMS representatives (PRA) do represent all three engineering professionals. Acknowledging that the current MRA on Engineering Services is only limited to professional engineers, some AMS proposed that either the current MRA be expanded to cover the Engineering Technologists and Technicians or another MRA be established to cover the Engineering Technologists and Technicians for the role of the three professional bodies within the Integrated Engineering Services.

The Meeting expressed its concerns on the increasing dominance of non-ASEAN professionals working in the ASEAN countries without appropriate working permit or professional registration, resulting from the lack of law enforcement in ASEAN countries. Taking into account that this may cause a serious safety, security, and professional responsibility issues in the future, the Meeting agreed to recommend to CCS and the higher bodies on the need to strengthen the law enforcement regarding the entry of foreign professionals from non-ASEAN countries.

2.2  MRA on Architectural Services

  1. The Meeting noted the outcomes of the 30th ASEAN Architect Council (AAC) which appears as ANNEX 4.

a)     8 AMS attended the meeting, except Myanmar and Singapore.

b)     Brunei Darussalam and Philippines submitted their updated list of Monitoring Committees.

c)     To-date the total number of ASEAN Architects (AA) is 417, with 11 from Brunei Darussalam, 4 from Cambodia, 145 from Indonesia, 9 from Lao PDR, 39 from Malaysia, 12 from Myanmar, 68 from Philippines, 86 from Singapore, 26 from Thailand and 17 from Viet Nam.

d)     ASEAN Architect Education Committee (AAEC) had its 17th meeting on 15 May 2017.

e)     AAC is seeking endorsement from BSSWG, CCS, SEOM and AEM on its proposed activities on identifying one project per year for open competition of AA, so as to ensure AMS commitment and smooth implementation of the activity. Once the list of projects has been compiled, AAC will inform the other MRA groups.

f)       Viet Nam will assume the AAC Chairmanship for the period of 2017 – 2019, starting August 2017.

g)     Philippines reported that the First ASEAN Architects Congress held on the 26-27 April 2017 in Manila, Philippines was attended by more than one-hundred participants and 48 of which were ASEAN Architects (AA). AAC supported the continuation of the Congress in the future and agreed to include the ASEAN Architect Congress as part of the AAC program.

h)     Cambodia will organise the First Architects Congress in Cambodia on 7-8 September 2017 at the Diecc, Koh Pich Island, Phnom Penh and AAC Members were invited to participate in the congress.

 2.3  MRA on Accountancy

 The Meeting noted the outcomes of the 6th Meeting of the ASEAN Chartered Professional Accountant Coordinating Committee (ACPACC) which appears as ANNEX 5. 

a)     All AMS attended the meeting.

b)     Singapore and Thailand updated their list of Monitoring Committees.

c)     Indonesia has agreed to bear the cost of the ACPACC Secretariat until the end of 2018, while the travel budget for Head of ACPACC Secretariat or his/her representative will be borne by the host country of the ACPACC meeting.

d)     Thailand and Viet Nam will assume the Chairmanship and Vice-Chairmanship of the ACPACC respectively, for the period of 2017-2019 starting from the 7th ACPACC meeting.

e)     ACPACC will continue to update the list of regulated and non-regulated services.

f)       All AMS have submitted the draft assessment statements and following the approval of the 2 assessment statements (Lao PDR and Malaysia) at this meeting, there has been 4 assessment statement approved.

g)     Following the approval of their assessment statements at the 6th ACPACC, a total of 136 ACPA (47 from Singapore and 89 from Thailand) were approved at this meeting.

h)     The ACPACC approved the design of the ACPA certificate and will issue the certificate of the 136 ACPA accordingly.

i)       ACPACC is considering to include accountants in the academia who have practical experience to be qualified for registration as an ACPA.

 2.4  MRA on Surveying Qualifications

The Meeting noted the outcomes of the 21st Meeting of the Competent Authorities of the Framework Arrangement for the Mutual Recognition of Surveying Qualifications, which appears as ANNEX 6.

a)     9 AMS except Myanmar attended the Meeting.

b)     Taking into account the similarity of surveying education and the exclusion of cadastral, the MRA on Surveying Group agreed to start working towards the registration of the ASEAN Registered Surveyors (ARS). Malaysia will lead the future discussions on ARS and will prepare a proposed concept paper for the ARS Procedures and draft Guidelines for ARS registration for discussion at the next meeting.

c)     The MRA on Surveying Group acknowledged the acceptance of ASEAN FLAG to be the future ARS Secretariat.

d)     CLMV countries are currently working to develop a project proposal which will assist them in establishing their legal framework on surveying registration and licensing. The project will be submitted under Initiative for ASEAN Integration and Narrowing Development Gap (IAI-NDG) scheme.

e)     Indonesia, as the Surveying Education Secretariat will continue to develop the Terms of Reference for the Education Secretariat and to develop the proposal on ASEAN educational template for surveying in order to be accepted as ARS.

2.5  The Current Status of Registered ASEAN Professionals

  1. The Meeting noted the status of the registered ASEAN Professionals as follows:

Member States

Engineering

(ACPEs)

Architecture

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Accountancy

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Surveying

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11

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Cambodia

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4

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Indonesia

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145

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9

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Malaysia

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39

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Myanmar

299

12

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Philippines

260

68

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Singapore

257

86

47

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Thailand

187

26

89

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Viet Nam

204

17

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417

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 AGENDA ITEM 3.       ROADMAP AND IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OF THE MRAs

 The Meeting noted the latest roadmaps and implementation plan of ACPECC, AAC and Surveying Group which appears as ANNEXES 9, 10 and 11 respectively.

 AGENDA ITEM 4.       PUBLIC-PRIVATE NETWORKING SESSION

 The Meeting noted that:

 Roundtables. ACPECC, AAC and MRA on Surveying Group had their Roundtables on 15 May 2017. The Report of the ACPECC and AAC Roundtables appear as ANNEX 12 and 13. The notes of the Surveying Roundtable is included in the Report of MRA on Surveying Group.

 Technical Visit and Sharing Session.

ACPECC had a technical visit on 15 May 2017 to the IWK Pantai Treatment Plant in Kuala Lumpur, and tour of Putrajaya, Malaysia. The technical visit ended with the dinner on the cruise. 

ACPACC had a sharing session at Malaysia Institute of Accountants (MIA) in the afternoon of 16 May 2017.

MRA on Surveying Group had a technical visit to The Department of Survey and Mapping Malaysia (JUPEM) in the afternoon of 15 May 2017.

AGENDA ITEMS 5.    OTHER MATTERS

5.1  Double Taxation

The Meeting is aware that there is already an existing network of double taxation agreement (DTA) among AMS. However, the implementation of the DTA continues to be an issue where the elimination of the double taxation is not attained due to the lack of or deficient implementation rules and other reasons. To address the implementation concerns which result in double or excessive taxation on ASEAN professionals with cross-border transaction in ASEAN, the Meeting recommended that the Chairman of the BSSWG or his/her representative together with the Chairman of the ACPACC to represent the professional bodies at the future dialogue with AFT.

5.2  Improving Mobility Professional

The Meeting also discussed the issue on the working permit for the professionals. The Meeting expressed the need to have a more comprehensive scheme on the permit for 3 activities related to professionals such as trainings, exchanges and employment. The Meeting noted that the issue of immigration is under the purview of ASEAN Directors-General of Immigration Departments and Heads of Consular Affairs Divisions of the Ministries of Foreign Affairs (DGICM). The Meeting agreed to recommend to CCS to elevate this matter to DGICM. The Meeting also noted that Malaysia offered to represent the BSSWG should the need arise.

5.3  BSSWG Chairmanship

In the spirit of ASEAN cooperation, the Meeting agreed that starting the next meeting, the BSSWG Chairmanship will rotate every 2 years in alphabetical order. Since Brunei Darussalam and Cambodia decline the offer to take the chairmanship, the Meeting agreed that Indonesia assume the next Chairmanship of BSSWG. The Meeting requested Indonesia to nominate the Chairperson before the next BSSWG meeting.

AGENDA ITEM 6.       NEXT MEETING

 The Meeting noted the dates and venues of the next CCS meetings:

 

Year

CCS

Host

2017

CCS 88

Cambodia

(week of 9 October in Cambodia)

2018

CCS 89

Philippines

CCS 90

Singapore

CCS 91

Myanmar

2019

CCS 92

Brunei Darussalam

AGENDA ITEM 7. Consideration and Adoption of Report

  1. The Meeting considered and adopted the report of the Meeting of the Business Services Sectoral Working Group.

 ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

The Meeting expressed their sincere and heartfelt thanks and appreciation to the Government of Malaysia for the warm hospitality extended to the delegates and excellent arrangement provided during the meeting.